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CDR_Glock

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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:12 am

Minimizing Getting Cut

Aside from the obvious things (using a trainer, taping the blade, etc), Using a live blade, how do you avoid getting cut when flipping? About about timing with aerials? Tips on avoiding getting cut?

When I started, I got cut all the time. Some superficial. Some deep. A few probably needed stitches but luckily I stopped the bleeding. I don't get cut as often also because I am more comfortable with knives than I used to be.

I do the following:

1 Get accustomed to how fast the knife is able to move and get comfortable with timing.

2 Grip pressure: I used to get cut when I used a tighter grip on the handles. Assuming a grip of 10 (holding the knife with a tight hand as hard as you can), 5 as a firm grip, 1 is lightly holding the knife: I hold the handles with a grip pressure of 2. When doing movements that involve directional changes such as rollovers, ricochets, and twirls, I use a very light grip which keeps me from inadvertently grabbing the blade to get cut. It has remarkably kept me from getting cut with Zen Rollovers, etc. I haven't applied this to a double edged knife but I would assume it would work.

3 Impart momentum to initiate movement and let the knife move on its own. Trying to consciously move the knife in its rotation the entire cycle leads to more energy transfer increasing the likelihood of hitting your hand too hard on Ricochets and cutting yourself on Zen movements. Let the knife move itself using the fingers to guide its path.

4 Keep tempo constant. I still have a problem with this. Certain moves I do fast. Others I do slow. My goal is to have the tempo the same throughout a routine. Changes in tempo, lead to changes in timing which lead to getting cut.

5 Be comfortable holding the handles along the edges not the face. You can't get cut if your fingers are not over the channels.

6 Pay attention and have "edge awareness". Knowing where the edge of the knife is at all times will keep you from doing a ricochet, for example, or Chaplin, with the wrong handle.

7 Lowering the hand down as you catch, minimizing impact of the blade onto your hands. If you are raising your hand as a the blade is coming down, the effect of a cut will be greater.

8 Ensure that the pivots of each handle rotate equally fast. Example is a torx screw is tightened on one handle creating a lag in "timing" during rotation.

9 Ensure your safety by making sure that your torx screws are secured each time you pick up your knife. Sandwich style Balisongs have a tendency to loosen. This has happened on my BM 51, Les Voorhees, Larry Davidson Hornet, Basilisk, Pinoy Knife FHM, Mikkel Willumsen, and CCCs, too.

10 Learn the move with a trainer or taped blade before trying to learn on a live one. Unfortunately, there are no trainers for each model out on the market but the mechanics of combinations and new moves will be the same. Grip pressure, timing, tempo and momentum will be obviously different if you're going from a 6 ounce 29 cm Pinoy Steel FHM trainer to a 4 ounce Benchmade 51.
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:51 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

I would just get comfortable with the knife, If your afraid of the knife the cut is that much worse. also aerials throw holding the bite handle, unless you are scissoring, cause the spine of the blade will hit you instead of the edge if you miss catch the knife or at least that is usually how it happens, you might twist the knife, and then its all up in the air.
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:09 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

Zen EVERYTHING.
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:48 pm

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DeadPuppy wrote:Zen EVERYTHING.


Good idea. :)
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:57 pm

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

maximize wearing a skirt.

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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:00 pm

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Looseyfur wrote:maximize wearing a skirt.


Hahahaha! Great one, LoOsey!
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:56 pm

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

I'm pressed for time, so I only skimmed through your essay, so here's my .02 'til next time-

As far as grip is concerned, I keep my knife in hand similar to a drum stick. Loose, with my fingers barely gracing the surface of the handles, yet firm enough to keep it in place when practicing aerials, etc. I allow enough open space in my palm for smooth transitions between tricks.

It's a difficult concept to describe, but like I noted previously, I'll be sure to go in depth in a future post.
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Post Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:51 pm

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

Sharp knives cut more cleanly. Chicks dig scars. That is all.
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Post Sun May 01, 2011 9:11 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

MoreBeef wrote: Chicks dig scars. That is all.


Emos must have got it made then.


my main advice is not to get careless. When I started flipping, I always got cut from my "victory flipping". I went into focus mode to do certain tricks, succeeded, felt happy and started flipping carelessly, then i got cut.
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Post Sun May 01, 2011 3:33 pm

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MoreBeef wrote:Sharp knives cut more cleanly. Trashy chicks dig scars. That is all.


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Post Mon May 02, 2011 11:24 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

CDR, that is a nice and comprehensive list. I pretty much agree with all of it, but I only really worry about two things. Edge awareness and a "soft" hand. No forcing anything... catches, throws, twists, turns, etc. Know where your edge is... and be gentle with your hands. Mostly edge awareness for me. I honestly don't think about it much anymore, unless I actually get cut. I started with a 40T, so these two factors in flipping didn't click with me until I started flipping live blades. Learned really quick though.
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Post Mon May 02, 2011 1:46 pm

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

@CDR-Glock did you ever try out those cut resistant gloves you mentioned a while ago??
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Post Tue May 03, 2011 8:00 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

c.wigum wrote:@CDR-Glock did you ever try out those cut resistant gloves you mentioned a while ago??


I did. They are too thick and don't give enough feel for control.

My main thing has just been holding the knife lightly and having a sense of where the blade is. These tips were mainly for beginners or collectors who don't use their knives. This is not really for guys who flip as well as all of you.

I'm enjoying the FATOC 11. Nice stuff!
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Post Tue May 03, 2011 8:01 am

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

I just wrap my Bali in bubble wrap... Problem solved
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Post Tue May 03, 2011 9:44 pm

Re: Minimizing Getting Cut

FkeSpydrFly wrote:I just wrap my Bali in bubble wrap... Problem solved


If it pops, you're doing it wrong?

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